Its really pride. And thats what, thats what you end up protecting right? I know for a fact that his article was circulated among the staff at Willow, and they crossed the Rubicon of credulity. Thats what he was. The Journal Sentinel reported: Elmbrook resignations are the latest to rock evangelical Christian churches. "For many of you, he was preacher, pastor, mentor or friend. Pete Briscoe @petebriscoe 12 Dec 2021. Guest Bios Show Transcript Many times, those who have experienced spiritual abuse are retraumatized when they try to speak about whats happened. That way, youll never miss an episode. I mean, you dont need to be trying to fit a round peg into a square hole, because it is gonna manifest itself in bad ways. And he committed sex acts with her. Likewise. Now, I coach pastors and business leaders in communications and self-care. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. He currently leads a multi-faceted media ministry called Telling the Truth which he shares with his parents Stuart and Jill Briscoe. Pete Briscoes father, Stuart Briscoe, who I loved dearly, hes not in good health, I wish he was, I wish he could hear this and Id wish him well. And it had all of these allies not just in the media, but among the angelical industrial complex, other megachurch pastors, everything. They didnt have the ability to move quickly. And so, you know, as a lawyer on the board, youre not absolved from the obligation of complying with the mandates of Scripture. It is a collection of people. I wasnt throughout the representation. and Im going to butcher the title. (See page 54 and following) Hes just an affectionate kind of guy. But as you say its Gods grace that despite all that hes used these men to bless many, despite everything. Today, Telling the Truthis heard anytime and anywhere, thanks to international radio programming, the internet, and our mobile app. To me, this was one of the beautiful God moves about the entire situation. Understanding & Overcoming Spiritual Abuse, Part II, Understanding & Overcoming Spiritual Abuse, Escaping & Healing from Abusive Churches, Part 2, https://world.wng.org/sites/default/files/issues/pdf/world_sep012018.pdf, https://www.billionbibles.com/voice-of-the-martyrs.html. I think they can do it effectively. But the thing that was so shocking to me, is that Bill Hy Hybels was the first pastor I had ever seen be so vulnerable from the pulpit. Its not okay. You know, I think, Julie, the other thing that was really whacked out about Willows elder board, and I didnt find this out until very late in the representation was they operated by design out of unanimity. Do you understand what Im saying? I encourage you to start praying again and trust God to open doors for you in godly and meaningful fellowship. Hes like, I wasnt trying to protect the man, who by chance was his brother in law. He is with us today to talk about growing communication skills to improve preaching as well as how we can find deeper fulfillment in our work and lives. Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! I dont know. Put a skin tag on it or a flesh tag. And what lessons can we learn from Willow Creeks mistakes? He was running and we were praying that he would surrender fully to God. And which really makes me sad because theyve had a change in leadership. Those are the good guys. And the people in this story are complex characters. I totally agree with you Julie on how I viewed the Clergy and Church growing up. What is it was Chicago? How are you? And its like, now someone inside the tribe has said, Something is wrong here and it must be dealt with. And it took someone of Scot McKnights gravitas to be able to shift the discussion at Willow. And Im like, Ive never seen a spiritual leader ever, ever have that sort of self disclosure in front of the church before he preaches. and so I almost feel like the elder boards are there to keep the honest person honest. So you can go to Amazon and enter in Boz Tchividjian and his book will pop up but you need to know what youre looking for because people who are sexual predators, they have an acuity for blending into society in ways that they dont stand out like this is not like, you know, the sexual predator in your church is not some, you know, grease ball sitting outside your kids ministry just kind of looking for a way to get at, like, thats our common image of what a sexual predator is. You have to have a lead pastor who creates a strong culture of accountability. I was blown away. WebIt is with heavy hearts that the Elders of Bent Tree announce that Pete Briscoe has submitted his resignation as Senior Pastor. and I found these people in those imperfect churches! Theres another circumstance that I became aware of where The board had a 360 Review done on Hybels and his leadership and some problems they were experiencing with his management style from, you know, bullying, abusive style. And so when these things happen, they cant just stay silent. :), I would strongly urge you to research Voice of the Martyrs. But you had said you had gotten this manual and it was about, you know, basically how to be an elder and how to lead. Continue Reading The Upper Room: John 15 Posted by Nate Murray People can do the job of preaching and leading a church for, you know, 40 plus weeks in the pulpit at a church of this size. Think about the psychology of someone who could be doing what was alleged by Pat Baranowski to have been done to her. I think there was a culture of pride at Willow that basically said, We are the elite of the Christian world. And gratitude is where we must go in this time, as Kurt Baxter reminded us on Sunday. Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth 's media outreach. Yep, thats rooted in pride. But what happens when there is a sheep within the flock who needs to be defended? It grows over time. And theyre born knowing how to do that. And to do that, we must avoid falling into the trap of our Christian beliefs being pitted against culture in the public sphere of debate. Petes teaching and emphasis on the sufficiency of Christ leaves an indelible mark on so many of our souls. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. Hes also a strong believer and advocate for abuse victims. The vanilla bean is incredibly hard to harvest. You feel that they have to have more of a governance more of a hands on role than a lot of them do. Thats a bad default state. (etc. Just what I call a deformed leadership culture at the church where certain things became acceptable that shouldnt. And this is a huge problem in the Evangelical Church in the southern baptist church, I mean, just absolutely massive problem where so often the predators covered up instead of brought to justice. Mike is a dear friend and Im sad this day has come. Heres my belief, Julie, I think the church at large, the big leaders in evangelicalism, we can name names if we want to, and Im sure that people have names on their mind when theyre hearing this, Why were they silent? Pete Briscoe was Senior Pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, TX for nearly 30 years. It is what manifests. Pete Briscoe, Stuart and Jills youngest son, was a key contributor to the ministrysteaching team from 2003 to 2021. But we dont have time on this podcast. So whos supposed to hold whos supposed to hold the leaders accountable in that structure? The priests who cross the street, right? What I do, you know, and what Ministry Watch is doing and what all these independent bloggers are doing, that its bringing accountability. I think the larger the platform, the more rigorous the accountability needs to be. In another area, it might be used to groom someone and use vulnerability as a mechanism to draw people into something that is corrupt. The Elder Board has accepted Petes decision, and his resignation is effective March 31, 2019. They show up, they sell books. 1 talking about this. I hope someday I can overcome this cynicism because I need Church as it should be. It is also the church in which Pete Briscoe, my former wonderful pastor, grew up in. It started as a simple tape duplication ministry in a home basement, using a reel-to-reel tape recorder linked to a dozen smaller recorders to duplicate the Briscoes' teaching. Nobody has said they had intercourse with Bill. In our church, we have a no tolerance policy. About Stuart and Jill Briscoe Gifted with wisdom, discernment, and a bit of English humor, the Briscoe's bring God's Word to life. A person whos not walking in the Spirit is susceptible to that type of behavior, even a senior pastor. I think, as believers, we should be standing for truth, we should not look the other way. But theres something wrong in the whole business of Church. In fact, back in the late 80s, early 90s, we went to Willow Creek and we had a wonderful experience. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. And thankyou for all you do in the NAME of JESUS! Really what it is, Julie, if we want to get down to it and go to spiritual or biblical terms, these are these are works of the flesh when were not led by the Spirit. I do. WebBriscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. And I had a wonderful experience. Basically, theyre a rubber stamp. But this certainly raises red flags. And I saw this at Harvest Bible chapel when I was doing reporting there. When I came onto our board, the terms that Pete Briscoe used were, guide, govern and guard. And I think policy governance has the governing part. They have a responsibility to the larger church to speak. Like they didnt read a book, figuring out how to do it, but there are warning signs that people need to be aware of. Character always has to come first in hiring, then competence, and then chemistry. "For many of you, he was preacher, pastor, mentor or friend. Subscribe Sign up for my daily email devotionals and to stay in touch! And someone Im extremely glad is serving in church leadership. Multiple services, being able to do it on cue, proves Hybels theatrical abilitiesI look back and feel sick, given all the details we now know from behind the scenes. I was kind of thrust into the middle of it out of love for wanting to help my friends and man, that thing escalated pretty quickly. With distinctly different teaching styles, you'll be moved by the emotional appeal of Jill and the compelling logic of Stuart, as they boldly proclaim God's sovereignty, grace, and love. For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema.. I think he lost it. Just go to BuyACar123.com. You can choose from more than 60 majors and learn in a Christian environment known for its spiritual values, leadership opportunities, and strong financial aid. Thankyou in advance. My husband and I actually bought our last car from our court and we had a great experience. I was a member of WCCC for many years. Stuart Briscoe died on August 3 "of natural causes unexpectedly" according to a tweet from his son, Pete Briscoe. That is not a matter of policy. The Journal Sentinel reported: Elmbrook resignations are the latest to rock evangelical Christian churches. Its good to be visiting with you again. Literally thousands of people have come to know Jesus under Bill Hybels teaching and yet, he was morally bankrupt at the same time. We were talking a little bit about the elder board. I hope you have a great day and God bless. And you have to, there must be assiduous accountability going on in the life of someone who has the big radio show has the big platform, his platform at conferences and large organizations, because the temptations are greater. And where does whats legally expedient for our organization? The other thing I wanted to talk to you about in you mentioned this in earlier discussion we had about the identity of elders and how so often, and I dont think its just elders, I think its a lot of the senior pastor leadership and staff that their identity tends to become enmeshed with the success or failure of the organization theyre a part of. A man who "dedicated his life to sharing Gods Word with the world" has died at the age of 91. And now lets put that in the past. Willow did not want to reckon with the deformed culture that had manifested underneath Bills leadership. It is a collection of people that we are to care for. And this is whats so difficult. So thanks again. Well, since you brought it up, youre gonna youre gonna have to address the Vanilla Bean. At that age, I had never had someone in spiritual authority lie or manipulate me. I was the senior pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship for nearly 30 years. Well, early on in the process after the Tribune article, we had to make a decision, How are we going to fight a machine of this size that is basically promulgating lies about these women and their families and their supporters? And I reached out to people that I already knew within, you know, the watch blogging community. Yeah, my understanding of that of the history has come from interviewing witnesses, talking to people who have served in those roles and hearing their stories at Willow. And so when I looked at that in the context of James MacDonald going, you know what, thats the type of accountability that man needed and was denied. WebPete Briscoe is a podcaster and evangelical pastor. If you have six members of the Board of eight, lets just say its eight or 10. So he said something about so and sos clothing. Julie, it is great to be with you again. It was a huge fixture in evangelicalism. So Mitch, thank you so much for taking the time to join me today. I followed the Harvest situation, which I think is its own it, you know, separate facts. The news of Petes resignation landed heavy on my heart. I would probably have been among those who defended Bill saying, He couldnt have done these things; Hes too strong of a Christian leader. I see this culture as similar to the Corinthian church with the man who was involved with his fathers wife. But I guess this is the question so many are asking is, Can anybody be in those kind of jobs with the kind of responsibility that is put on one human, one person to lead thousands of people? And so many looking to him for vision for leadership for everything. To us, he was Stu, Dad and Poppa and we already miss him achingly." But you lose the guarding mechanism, which I think in todays in todays cultural moment, its probably the most important aspect of eldering. But heres what happened when Scot criticized them publicly. But it really had the tone has to be set by leadership for a culture of goodness. There was another documented case where he had oral sex with his assistant back in the 90s at WC. And to do that, we must avoid falling into the trap of our Christian beliefs being pitted against culture in the public sphere of debate. Absolutely horrible. What eventually broke the culture of secrecy and protection? So its more than flirty words or suggestions. I am thrilled to be here. Because they, I mean, they had a massive PR machine they had, they hired Mark DeMoss, his firm to come in and try to resolve things from a PR standpoint. It was stunning to me. May you and your family be richly bleSSed!!! Jill WebPete Briscoe, Stuart and Jills youngest son, was a key contributor to the ministrys teaching team from 2003 to 2021. But you have seen the the worst of it. And so when you see behaviors that look like grooming, you know, John Calvin, Im not a Calvinist. Absolutely. Yeah, they eventually did. 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